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bodies. >> drove over a body. >> altogether, 12 people are believed to have been killed in that particular series of events. we should point out that the information that we do have right now is from the website, a group known for leaking sensitive government and corporate documents which in the past have proven to be authenticate and said reuters was trying to get the video using a lawsuit under the freedom of information act, had not as yet been successful. and as for the other side of this story, senior military officials telling nbc news this afternoon that they believe that the pilots were convinced that they were firing on armed insurgents. this happened in an area where u.s. soldiers had come under fire in the past. the pilots thought they needed to take action. the pentagon says that it sees no reason to investigate this any further and that there have been no calls for an investigation. they see no evidence of criminal intent or negligence in this particular case. joining us now is julia that
sang and bret magurk with the council on foreign relations, lieutenant colonel anthony schafer and glen glenwald, columnist, lawyer for salon.com joining us by way of skype. julia, how did you come to have these tapes? >> we acquired in it a process like this, we never speak too directly about our confidential sources. >> you would point this to a military whistle-blower effectively? >> yes. there were more than one military whistle-blowers involved in releasing this material and surrounding documents to us. >> do you have -- go ahead. >> when we first obtained the video itself, that was
encrypted. >> do you have more tapes like this? >> yes, we do. >> how many? >> i won't go into the precise number but there was a rumor that the tape we were about to release was about a similar incident in afghanistan where 97 people were bombed in may last year. we have that video. >> do you intend to release that video, as sfwhel. >> yes. as soon as we have finished our analysis, we will release it. >> what is your intention in releasing these videos and acquiring these videos? >> well, we can see in this case we really have unique material that shows how modern aerial warfare is done. hasn't been revealed bmp. it also shows the debasement and moral corruption of soldiers as a result of war. it seems like they are playing video games with peoples' lives and even the mission itself many
may argue with the correctness of the submission thrown out the window. for example when one of the reuters journalists is lying prone on the ground, they may believe him to be an insurgent but he clearly has no weaponry new york city arms, no arms combat around him and what appears to be good samaritans, go to his aid, clearly unarmed, if he was an insurgent, they genuinely believed he was an insurgent, that wounded man should be interrogated and asked what about he was doing. but instead, you can hear on the transcript they're saying, come on, buddy. just pick up a weapon. all we need to you to do is pick up a weapon because under the rules of engagement, as soon as he picks up a weapon, he can be killed so their desire is simply to kill as many people as possible, to get as high of a score as possible in their endeavor to kill people and then brag about it to the rest of the troops, the mission itself is completely out the window.
>> julian, please rejoin us again as you continue your efforts to document some of this coverage. julian, co-founder of wikileaks. i want to learn to you, brett. you were in baghdad at the time of this tape was shot. is that correct? >> off and on, yeah. >> put this in context. was this -- is this typical? is this an extraordinarily rare event and how does this event fit into the context of the narrative or the arc of reality on the ground in baghdad and particularly in the context of the surge? >> i mean, this is middle of the surge between april and july we lost about 400 american soldiers in combat. this district was new baghdad just south of sadr city. the hottest of the hot zone. we were finding rpg 29s, the most sophisticated weapons coming in from iran. we were losing soldiers every day. you can get a sense of what the attitude was like from the
troops there. >> what about the frequency with which these types of mistakes get made? >> that's the mission which was put down from general petraeus to protect the population. that was the mission and that mission succeeded. this was an operation which if you go to the beginning of the tape, they thought they say rpgs which were, in fact, cameras. an area of baghdad, hottest of the hot zones and engaged these groups. it is a tragic, tragic tape. i want to say having spent two years of my life in iraq, the journalists in iraq, some of the bravest folks i have met. this is a tragic, tragic video. however, from the perspective of the troops in hoiks flying around engaged by rpgs and we have had helicopters shot down in this part of baghdad, i can see where they were coming from. i think it's slanderous to say their mission to kill as many iraqis as possible. not at all. our mission is to engage targets terrorizing baghdad like we thought these people were. >> lieutenant colonel schafer,
you look at this and you ask yourself, what are the rules of engagement from our soldiers and how do you -- there's a reality in new york long ago where kids in the ghetto would take guns and point them at police, toy go guns. >> i know. >> how do you distinct between the camera tripod and the rules of engagement which i presume try to avoid this? >> well and that's absolutely correct and, dylan, i'm glad you use that example. i was in exactly the situation to shot or not shot an 8-year-old in kabul in the first mission. the thing threw at the car turned out to be a cup. thank god. but it's shoot/don't shoot call every time you're out. there it's never easy. but this is tragic.
now, let me be clear here. this, i believe, was a failure partially because of training and discipline. i mean, when you're using aviation as a primary source of delivery of weaponization of combat, of fire power, you've got to be very, very precise. this is what general mcchrystal is always talking about. we have to get it right if we're going to have the population on our side. i watched the video very closely, dylan. what's going to happen when the kids grow up now is what will be the memories of this ins zment we have got to be better than good. we have got to be great. i understand the context of both ends of this, there were a lot of rpgs coming out. >> from your perspective, were the rules of engagement followed from what you see in this piece of videotape? >> let me be clear. based don fact this is not confirmed video of the army, i don't know but based on what i've seen, no, they were not. first rule is to engage persons with hostile intent by minimum
force necessary. minimum force is the key here. if you see eight armed men, the first thing to think as an intelligence officer, how can we take them and capture them? we don't want to kill people h arbitraril arbitrarily. when you see the van to take away the wounded, do not target or strike anyone out of combat due to sickness or wounds. the wound part of that i find disturbing by the fact you have people down, clearly down. people on the way there. again, speaking at an intelligence officer, i want to capture people to recover them. if you're not doing that, you are not doing precise combat. >> glen, put all of this together and it is everybody's worse nightmare. brought to reality and is a reality that does not get a lot of coverage we know in this country if any which is why wikileaks exists. if you look at what is coming, the awareness of this in the concrete is what occurs, how
does the american military, how does the american media, how does the american -- how do you perceive this altering the conversation go ahead. >> well, i think one of the things to emphasize is that wikileaks is heroic. this footage is seen all the time in the muslim world of what we are doing over there and the effect of the missions are but it's seen very rarely over here and sparks the kind of discussion we ought to be having about what our wars and invasions actually entail are doing. i think other important thing to note about it, this is far from uncommon. just today on the front page of "the new york times" the pentagon had to admit claims of made of a special forces mission in afghanistan were completely false, killing five civil sans and claimed three were found bound and gagged but we ended up killing all five civilians. this happens constantly and learn about it when
investigative reporters or sites expose it. what i think it unsds scores is we know to send soldiers into war, these things happen. that's the fog of war even well intentioned soldiers commit acts like this. the point is to think about why we continue to invade other countries knowing that the kinds of things we see on the video from r the kirnds of things we'll be going to the population. there it's immoral and counter productive as the gentleman just said. what do you think the people who see this video an the family members who are surviving are going to think about the united states for the next two or three decades. >> at what point, brett, do you have to ask the question about the security mission and the desire for everybody in america to have security? and the mechanism, the reality of our military engagement in iraq and afghanistan? and whether, in fact -- at what point it is beneficial and what point it is detrimental? how do you answer that question?
>> that's a gigantic question. at the time the mission in the iraq, we were losing the mission that the point. and that's what ended up happening. the mission to protect the population. therefore, an operation like this went against the very mission we were -- there's probably more examples of u.s. troops in the streets to protect civilians and not engaging and we are taking casualties. >> i have no doubt for that. i don't think anybody in the conversation i hope is seeking to indict either soldiers or military. i think it's understandable going to the old suicide by cop na narrative and you can see where it happens but the bigger question is, if we are trying to secure our nation and we are spending $12 billion a month on war in the middle east, and we're working our way towards $8 trillion and talking about 100,000 dead iraqis i can keep going. when does the question become,
where does our security end and a war that appears to be off track begin? >> well again, i mean, look. historians will judge the consequence of the iraq intervention. there's a chance now that we're going do leave something better behind in iraq but it's going to take about ten years to determine that. i don't know. all i know is we are in a situation at that point where baghdad is out of control. on the precipice of genocidal levels of silence and secure the population and give the iraqis a chance. you say, my gosh, everything is going -- >> to the point, unfortunately, there are more examples like this. this is -- i'm no one here seeking to indict specifically any of these soldiers at all. but i think it is critical to acknowledge in the fog of war, in the context of combat, that this is what is happening and at the very least, to glen's point, this is what is being seen by the families who would view
american soldiers and american presence as infidels. >> again -- >> true? >> also critical to acknowledge we have at that time u.s. soldiers in the streets to protect iraqi civilians. that's -- i mean, iraq before the surge was just -- >> no one's contesting that yet. >> we put americans in harm's way to stabilize that -- and give a city of 7 million people a chance. that's what was happening. an event like this goes against the entire mission. therefore, yeah. this is a terrible, tragic thing. i won't defend it. the context is critical here. >> i appreciate that. glen, same to you, again. thank you for your reporting and context. anthony, same to you, appreciated. we'll continue our coverage of this developing story over the next few days and weeks. coming up here on "the dylan ratigan show," back a little closer to home. the dust literally settling from an earthquake out west over did weekend. an expert about a fault system
that may not be the one you think. not the san andreas fault but something, a random fault line. unfortunately, what i have done over the past years has been just terrible to my family. and the fact i won golf tournaments i think is irrelevant. >> tiger woods with a press conference today, out of sex rehab they say and to golf's greatest stage. we are asking whether, in fact, tiger woods can go back to being did boring man he was before all the news broke. he was rather boring today so that may be a beginning for him. plus, man of steel. rnc chairman michael stooel breaking his silence about bondage-gate. we're back after this. oh sure, we have plenty of employees that...
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all right. welcome back. there have been more than 100 aftershocks so far from a deadly easter day quake on the west coast of the united states. strongest, magnitude 5.4. experts say people who live in the area will feel the affects for years to come. you see dust rising miles from the epicenter. at a magnitude of 7.2, the quake was stronger than the one that hit haiti, for instance, in january. that quake, obviously, meaningfully more devastating for various reasons. the epicenter was in northern mexico. people were shaken as far as
southern california, arizona, nevada felt it. san diego closed the airport for a little while. geologist say it's chaotic system of faults that the experts don't know enough about. with us for some analysis, rob williams, u.s. geologist. most people feel like they have a handle on the area because of the fame and frequency of the earthquakes on the san andreas fault and mountain range. is this not related to that? >> it is related. it's not an unstudied area. it's a transition area between the southern end of the san andreas and then the gulf of mexico transform system. so there's a set of faults in here where this earthquake occurred that are being studied but are not as well-known as the san andreas. >> is there, again, is there any rational way to draw context between the quake that is we have seen earlier this year and
this one? >> you know, it's a question that's asked a lot and what -- the shorter answer is not -- probably not. and but it's true that these big earthquakes, the seismic waves move across the earth, all around the earth and are recorded around the world. so to -- but to be able to say that the chile quake caused this quake to happen, not enough is known about the earth and the structure to be able to predict that. >> sure. but even if you were to -- obviously, i have no idea. but if you were to back away from the argument that i could see where that would be hard one -- hard set of dots to connect, that one of the quakes is triggering another quake, is there any evidence in queen that there is a wave of -- a systematic or a wave of release
of tension in fault line in general? do they come in waves, i guess is my question? >> on smaller scales, along a single fault, that's been observed. for example, in turkey. in the 1990s, a sequence of earthquakes occurred over about a 60-year period along a fault like the san andreas. this earthquake yesterday in northern mexico triggered the aftershocks sequence that you talked about, but also, nearby in southern california there's been a number of small earthquakes mainly magnitude 3 and below that have bit of an increase in activity outside of the aftershock zone that we see from the main shock so within close to these large events we do see some connection and possible triggering. >> all right.
listen, rob -- >> but over -- yeah. >> go ahead. over what? >> over continental scales like haiti to baja or chile to baja, that's just -- we are just not able to say. >> understood. so same fault line there's correlation potentially. different fault lines your guess is as good as mine but there's no evidence. is that a fair summation? >> yes. >> okay. listen, rob, a pleasure. thank you for the conversation and continuing to teach us about how this particular part of our lives works. still ahead, belated criminal case against badu. why police are only now slapping a fine on her her controversial video xwh n which she strips naked. it was fine for a month and then apparently became not fine. david versus goliath developing in the land of college basketball. how many people have butler to go all the way in their bracket? it niece today's by the numbers.
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has some kind of bounce it to. >> back of the rim. rebound haywood and butler wins it. butler's going on to the national -- tie butler bulldogs advancing to their first ncaa title game in the history of the indiana university, winning the right to face, yes, perennial powerhouse duke blue devils tonight and it's improbable championship. they're dubbing it hoosier's 2. the matchup that almost no one saw coming. 4.8 million brackets in the tournament entered in espn's online contest before it began. 1,400 have butler playing duke tonight. that means 0.3% had the right bracket. butler was a number five seed coming into the tournament.
duke number one seed with a squad loaded with potential pro players of the future. if but ler beats duke, it will be the biggest upset in probably a quarter centuries. the bookies in vegas says the devils are a 6.5-point favorite but butler playing at indianapolis. anything is possible. just 492 brackets on espn have butler winning it all. if they do, it's safe to say those brackets will win their office pools. i suspect every single person who had butler winning it all either goes to butler, the parent of somebody that goes to butler or the dean of students or admissions at butler. up next, from sex or sex rehab, although it was from sex to sex rehab, to the masters. what's next for tiger woods now that he's back in public? >> i don't know. all i know is i -- i acted just terribly, poorly.
we're back to break down whether tiger woods can ever go back to being boring again. the golf great known for years as the king on the course but incredibly low key and bland guy in the private life took another step toward trying to repair that image or at least to try to become boring again. tiger holding a live news conference and answering questions about the many affairs and accusations of drug use. here's an excerpt. >> how far astray i got from my core fundamentals and core values my parents taught me and
having to break all that done and as i said with the denial and realization to cut through that and really take a hard look at myself. >> and when tiger hit it is links at this weekend at the masters, his wife elin will not be there. he admit there is's a lot of work both in public and in private for him. take a listen. >> my wife and kids being photographed everywhere they go, being badgered. i mean, that's tough. that's tough on them. it is hard for us to heal. >> joining us, rob weiss, director of the sexual recovery institute and image consultant charlotte parker. we welcome you both. we're watching with many others, i suppose, looking in and out of this press conference this afternoon eni was reminded how boring tiger woods is. when you're not talking about his multiple affairs and drug use and the rest of it or potential drug use. do you think it's possible for tiger to basically go back to the bland nature that he had prior to all of this coming out?
>> no, dylan, i don't think that is possible. i think his bore days are completely behind him and i think everything he does henceforth for a while will be big news. >> would he be better off -- how would he be served beyond the -- contrition which is obvious from an image standpoint? in other words, how do you deal with the data set that it is? all the affairs. beyond being contrite. >> well, i think he made a -- it was a huge coup today so what he did knowing that they were going to ask him questions at the masters, he went and gave them everything that they may have wanted to ask. he had to give them something today. i would say overall on a day by day, you know, thing by thing basis, he's going to have to show it by how he lives. and that's going to be really hard. he has a lot to come back from. he has fallen down a very deep hole so i think his contrition is appropriate because what he
did, it wasn't just one thing which would have required still a lot of contrition but the degree to which he has fallen or at least that people were able to see the degree of the, i guess, dysfunction that he had was so serious that he does have a lot to come back from. but maybe this has woken him up as a person and i think how he behaves and what he does and how he acts, that's going to be the wellweather for how he's perceived. >> rob, what's did difference between an athlete at the top of his game or her game for that matter but in this case it is clearly a his-based situation who is very common for pro athletes to have multiple sexual partners married or not with no judgment? i guess my question is, what's the difference between an athlete with a lot of sex because he can and a sex adiblgt? >> yeah. i they sex addict -- someone's who's not a sex addict would work harder -- here's a guy
living a double life. that's different than a lot of athletes. >> absolutely, absolutely. >> but boy did he do a good job today. i couldn't have scripted it better as a therapist. his contrition. i really felt like this guy has the priorities straight. >> if you were to look to -- so your point is other athletes who may live a promise wous lifestyle never presented the branding that tiger woods did? so in other words, you say smells like an addiction because of the duplicity? >> well, the numbers, the degree of the secret life and the fact he went to a sex addiction treatment center. the place he went for treatment doesn't treat other issues. that's what they treat. so, you know, he clearly went there and went there for this reason and i think he got what he paid for because i hear somebody who sounds like recovery. >> does going to a place of rehab like this, charlotte, help your image? >> i think so. i think what he is doing is doing everything correctly. you know, from the low place he's fallen to, he's doing
everything, the fact he's playing in the masters shows that the guy wants to get back in the game both in the game of golf and the game of life. he's showing that he wants to do it. it is a long road back and, yes, i think he is doing it correctly. yes, i think people -- people have sympathy and empathy for people who have fallen. which of us is perfect? i think if you gate guy who admit what is he has done which he did today and everybody felt the honesty. that's what people are looking for. taking steps to correct them. yes, i think it does help. >> thank you both for the conversation, guys. obviously, quite the spectacle going into the master this is weekend. although, perhaps he was boring enough today that they won't bother asking him about anything but golf although i doubt it. thank you. let's look at the dig list. a string of political news. rnc chairman steele defending the leadership, he said he was caught you have guard and angered by what he called excessive spending with a few thousand dollars of lesbian
bondage at a club in los angeles and will not resign and shares a common bond with the president, in fact. take a listen. >> do you feel that as an african-american you have a slimmer margin for error than another chairman would? >> the honest answer is, yes. >> why is that? >> it just is. barack obama has a slimmer margin. a lot of folks do. i mean, it's a different role for, you know, for me to play and others to play. and that's just the reality of it. i mean, but you take that as part of the nature of it. >> the white house responded to chairman steele, press secretary robert gibbs said, i think michael steele's problem isn't the race card but the credit card. 89-year-old chief justice john paul stevens could retire. it would likely spark a fight in what we know is already a gridlocked senate.
front-runners for potential placement are appellate judges diane wood and merrick garland and solicitor general elena kagan. karl rove, take a look. >> one of my favorite founders is james madison. he create add instrument of constitution for a census every ten years tone sure fair representation in congress. >> "the wall street journal" says republicans are fearful of census undercounting which could reduce number of republican seats in congress. remember, four out of americans at this point do not identify as republican. two out of three don't identify as democrat. so you and i already know that. pushing congress to give unemployed veterans a hand. unemployment among iraqi and afghan war veterans at around 15%. that is five percentage points
higher than the reported national average. bad news for toyota. the u.s. is seeking maximum civil penalties against the automaker over those recalls. i'm a little surprised that the damages numbers is as low. and then the missing link between man and apes has been found. the new species will be revealed when the 2 million-year-old child skeleton is revealed later this week. it shares charact ereristics representing the bridge in our revolution between ape and man, they say. soon to be revealed. up next, new that is prosecutors may not file criminal charges in the aig fiasco that continues to cost taxpayers billions of dollars while giving the financial industry the free use of trillions of dollars for their gambling habit. also, why police are only
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we're back monday afternoon. first up, aig looks like they get away scot-free with the extortion, your money, their money. you know the routine. "the wall street journal" reports after a two-year investigation, federal prosecutors leaning against investigating aig of a bailout. that's right. no accountability for the crooked insurance deals cooked out of aig. prosecutors had reportedly been considering an indictment of the former head of aig financial products, the unregulated division that originated a lot of the crooked insurance. the issue, whether he and others at the company intentionally deceived investors and auditors about the risk at aig's books. you know how lehman brothers was hiding risk. that's how they at least on occasion make money, unfortunately. we've got an idea. if you forced aig to release ten
years of e-mails between themselves and their clients and goldman sachs considering the trillions of dollars given to them in the 80% stake we own in the company, you might have plenty of evidence for all sorts of charges. and if you don't find anything and turns out to be legal we should really, really direct the attention at the government too interested in taking money from the financial industry to make something like what we have been through illegal. next, environmental ka it is a to fee that may dry up what was once the fourth largest sea. 90% dry. the soviets have diverted so many river that is fed into the sea for irrigation canals used in farming. on sunday, u.n. second-general ban ki-moon called it one of the planet's most shocking disasters.
that's pre-diversion. there you go, that's 1987. and here you are in 2000. the rivers are not flowing into the lake. you get it? being diverted. the shrinkage left behind boats, pesticide-filled dust storms. the u.n. urging local leaders to solve the problem but it may make difficult negotiations, something to think about when we have the government authorizing extraction-based business models for businesses in our own country who would otherwise not be able to make any money. next apparently better late than never for the dallas police. moving against singer rr ykah badu. she strips naked in broad daylight while working through the dallas plaza where president john f. kennedy was assassina
assassinated. no charges were brought forward. in fact, it was only after the video became a viral clip on the web and everybody started talking about it that the police then began talking to witnesses. police have decided to fine her for disorderly conduct after people complained. i understand we understand the problem in our country of selective enforcement and all the rest of it. anyway, we know the story. straight ahead, a call to conservatives that was heard and should be heard from coast to coast. meet the man who was calling conservatives out for everything from hypocrisy to outright hatred to revisionist history. the man behind what i think is one of the most compelling letters on policy joins us next. it was an open letter to conservatives. god bless him for writing it. next on "hardball," the latest attempt to weaken the
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welcome back. town square. and today the author of an open letter to conservatives. it was published a few weeks. russell king is the author. he says he's had it with republican hypocrisy, hyperbole, revisionist history specifically and hatred. i'm going do quote from the beginning of his letter. he says i grew up in a profoundly republican home so i can remember when you wore a very different face than the one we see now. you've lost me and you've lost most of america.
four out of five americans do not identify as a republican. -- i said that. because i believe having responsible choices is important to democracy, i'd like to give you some advice and an invitation. first, the invitation. come back to us. now the advice. you're going to have to come up with a platform that isn't built on a foundation of coward dis. fear of people with colors, religions, cultures and sex lives that differ from your own. fear of reform in banking, health care, energy. fantasy fears of america being transformed into an islamic nation, into social commune fascism. into a disarmed populace put in internment camps and more. but you have to work to do even before you take on that task. your party, the gop, and the conservative end of the american political spectrum have become irresponsible and irrational.
this call to the grand old party has now gone viral on the internet. more than -- this letter which is link upon link, most lichked up thing i've ever read, accumulated double the hits posted in the ten-year history of publishing user generated content. russell joins us today from madison, wisconsin. russell, why did you write this? >> well, it seemed to be the thing to do at the time, dylan. i was looking at the news and realized that the gop that i was looking at didn't look anything like what i grew up with, what my dad was in and it was bringing democracy to a halt in america and we need the conservatives to come back and be a part of a player in this game. >> i suspect you and i just from reading your letter come from a very similar point of view coming the role of government and nations and see the value,
huge value as a conservative myself relative to the government when it comes to game rigging and the rest of it and dealing with systems. why do you think that the conservative movement in this country whether it holds to account the government on the basic principle of fairness has become what you described and what i agree with the party of hypocrisy, hatred, revisionist history and hyperbole. how did that happen? >> that's the big question. and i can't tell you. i know that, you know, i grew up governors romney and milliken and didn't behave as the way sarah palin does and boehner and cantor. they didn't speak that way. they were people of calm and reason and even of passion for social justice which now on the right is a dirty word. >> you write that you can't vote and scream against -- this is going back to your letter. you can't vote and scream against the stimulus package and
then take credit for the good it's done in your own district. like phil gingrey. you wrote, a little respect for our national institutions and the people and values they represent would be refreshing. cut out the ear swaering and obscenities and we have this from the health care debate. take a look at this. >> those who are shouting out are out of order. >> baby killer. >> you were talking about the rewriting of history. if you haven't read this letter, i truly recommend you give it a read. you did an incredible job of link sog that it is clear this is not necessarily your point of view by reality, unfortunately. then there's the rewriting of history, for instance, cutting a leading founding father out of the history books like what the
texas board of education did removing thomas jefferson. he was my favorite. i'm not sure how to take that. and then your final point, the language that was used. how would it be difficult? how would the legislation, for instance, the health care legislation or the banking debate or the energy debate that surely will come in the months ahead, immigration debate, how would that be different if instead of the conservative party we have now we had the -- conservative party that perhaps you and i wish we had to oppose so many of the special deals being made by the democrats right now in the effort to pursue their agenda? how would it look different to you? >> well, it certainly would have been more bipartisan in an honest sense. a number of republican ideas are included in obama's proposal and now in the law. but it seems that the republicans are loathe to admit that, that part of their agenda and their ideas were included. tsz a bipartisan law.
it's something that eisenhower and nixon could easily have signed on to. we wouldn't have had a description of the passage of that law as armageddon. >> if you were to look at the future and look at -- the fact that four out of five americans do not identify themselves as republicans, that is an all-time low and two out of americans don't identify themselves as democrats, the level of dissatisfaction with the special interest control over both parties makes it difficult to trust any solution. do you believe that we're in a position where we can actually see a reversal in this trend with just good information? i wish i could say that were true. i don't think we're there yet. i think we need the national discussion to ratchet down a couple of notches so we're not talking about civil war and things like that. >> a pleasure. again, compliments on the
letter. you can read the entire letter on our website at email@example.com. "hardball" is up right now. out of the woods? let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. leading off tonight, tiger, tiger burning bright. tiger woods just gave one of the most anticipated news conferences in years. a bold effort to talk publicly and plainly about the behavior that cost him millions of dollars of endoermentes and perhaps his i conic stature in american life. we have seen politicians do this all the time. why is it some of them are forced to walk while others like louisiana senator vitter can linger on? did tiger get himself back into the game? plus, war with right wing radio. let's be clear here.
when rush limbaugh refers to the obama regime or as he did today, hunta, doing anything less than delegislate jit miz his presidency? do they hold that any administration not republican is ill legislate senate will that work? it works with the ditto heads. will it work with the independent-minded voter? also, are we about to see another fiery national debate over a supreme court nomination? john paul stevens is talking about retires. can president obama find the winning nominee? someone to unify and lead the liberals without being destroyed in the hearings? if not, when? and michael steele just can't seem to get out of trouble. he said today that as an african-american the reality is he has a slimmer margin of error than another chairman might. well, even if that's true and it could well be, what good is it to s s